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House Tales: The Tale of a Sale... 511 N. Dianthus Manhattan Beach



In April of 2008 I listed 511 N. Dianthus in the Hill section of Manhattan Beach.  The home was a probate sale.  It had been owned by the same family since it was built in 1964.  The initial listing price was $1,429,000 which was considerably less then the appraised value from the state and  a private appraisal the heirs had ordered. 



Over the next few months the  financial markets would begin to crumble and home prices would soon follow.    This was the home Mom had dearly loved.  She had planned the yard  with care and loved her pond with the Koi and turtles.  The owners  had grown up in  the house and remembered when it was the largest home on the street.  They reduced the asking price a number of times, but it was difficult  watching the home where they had grown up losing value in  a rapidly changing market.



While the property received  offers, the owners and potential buyers were not able to reach an accord on price.  As always there was lots of chatter  about the  real market value of the property.  After being on the market for 10 months the owners decided to rent the house for a year.  In March of 2009  the for sale sign went down. 



But that is not  the end of our tale but rather the beginning.   All was fairly quiet until the fall of 2009.  In September  I started getting a number of calls from agents and  potential buyers who had toured the property while it was on the market wanting to know if the sellers  were still willing to sell.  The interest generally faded away when folks realized that the home was rented until the spring of 2010.   A few months later as inventory continued to decline interest again picked up in the house.   By the end of November I had three potential buyers who wanted to make offers on the house. 




The owners talked and decided that they would entertain offers on the property subject to the existing lease from the folks who had contacted us.   If someone met their price great... and if not they would think about listing  the home at the end of the lease term.    It seemed that now folks were serious and we wound up in a multiple offer situation.    One of the buyers  agreed to the price the owners wanted and escrow was opened in December with a closing to be 30 days after the property was vacant. 



I had to chuckle when reading a comment about the sale on



The new buyers  have some great plans for the home and have promised me a tour when all is done.   With their permission I'll take some pictures and post them.  While many disagreed with me when the property was listed,  this house has good bones and  a great location.  The new owners recognized that and knew that  a bit of imagination and a good architect can make this a lovely home.

Manhattan Beach Confidential.   It was interesting that a year ago many would have considered the current price over market value and now, even though prices declined in the last year,  it was a sweetheart deal.   The truth is that everyone who was interested in the property had seen it when it was listed.  I probably had  10-15  calls from agents and principals after it went off market.  There were multiple offers on the property... but only one of the buyers was willing to meet the price the owners wanted.  The property had an appraisal done by the bank.   The actual sale price was $1,050,000... however the reported price... $1,030,000...  was  lower as  one of  the new owners is a real estate licensed and the price reflects  that commission was deducted from the sale price.  I didn't report a higher price on the MLS but did note that the price reflected the adjustment  for comp purposes.



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Posted on April 04, 2010 18:43:23

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360 South Bay: Opening Day and Pricing



For those of you who have been waiting to check out what 360 South Bay is offering keep next Saturday open.  The Grand Opening is planned for Saturday February 20, 2010 from 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.  

The good news is that prices are lower then
the projected prices I posted a few weeks ago.... although I suspect they may need to drop a bit more especially on the Plan 1 Sudios in The Flats.  Most folks are going to want a bedroom is they are going to spend almost $400,000 for a unit.    Location and price are  definitely going to be  issues for the development.  As Renee Moilanen pointed out in her column in the Daily Breeze last week  most of us know that there is a big difference between  living  in a beach community and Hawthorne.   

 



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Posted on February 13, 2010 15:23:34

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360 South Bay: Home prices...

About a month ago I wrote a post on the return of the housing development at 360 South Bay.  The project was scheduled to open sometime this month but  it may take them a bit longer  with all the rain we have been having in the last few weeks.  In my last post I speculated about the possible pricing of these units.  I believe one of the reasons the project had such a tough time last time around was that the units were priced too high for the location.  A reader was kind enough to send me some information posted by the company in November about the prices the company was projecting upon the re-opening of the project. 

 

 

 

 

 

There are 3 phases to the project.  If all goes well the development will take about 3 years from re-opening  to completion.  The Flats and the Courts  will be offered for sale this year.  The Lofts and The Rows in 2011 and the Gardens  in 2012.   The prices above may not be the asking prices on the units when the project officially re-opens, but these are the prices the company was posting in November on the company financial information .

The prices for the Flats and The Courts appear to be fairly close to the  prices the last time around in 2007-2008 and we know they didn't generate the interest that William Lyon Homes  had hoped to see.   You can't help but wonder what they are  thinking... $495,000 for a  studio condominium in Hawthorne by the 405 Freeway in today's market seems rather pricey...especially when you can buy a 2 bedroom 2 bath unit at Fusion for less. 

 I'm hoping the above prices are higher then the actual asking prices will be when the project officially re-opens.  I would like to see the project succeed as we don't have much in the way of newer affordable housing in our area. However at  roughly  $500,000-$790,000 for the first phase  these units may not be affordable for most of the folks who would like to live there.   $790,000 will buy a nice rear unit  townhome  in North Redondo....

 The three rules of real estate are location, location, location... it will be interesting to see if folks are willing to pay these prices for new in this location. 



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Happy New Year.... Thoughts on Real Estate in 2010

 

Looking back over 2009 there were a lot of changes in our  Beach Cities real estate market.  In the first part of the year we saw sales volume decline and inventory rise.  Financing was difficult to obtain.  The conforming loan limit had dropped back to $625,000 from $729,750 in November of 2008  and didn't go back to $729,750 for almost 6 months even though the higher limit had been approved in February.   Jumbo loans were tough to obtain until some of the major banks decided to get involved and even now jumbo loans are not easy to secure. Appraisals were troublesome for many buyers and sellers as new rules went into effect.

Then in the summer the market took a new direction.  Prices were down and buyers noticed.  Sales volume increased and held steady into the 4th quarter when the market is usually at its lowest.  Inventory dropped to levels not seen in many years.  Even homes that had been around for years seem to have finally found buyers although at much lower prices.

The media stories  about the California real estate market were numerous and conflicting.  One day prices were up,  the next they were down.  Sales volume was increasing... whoops... no it was declining.  The recession was over... but not quite yet.  Real estate prices were going to go up in March 2010.. no make that June 2010  or  maybe November... nope... in the summer of 2011  home prices would take a dramatic upturn.   The truth  is that no one really knows what is happening in  local markets as they are changing by the minute.

 

There is a lot of talk that we have reached the bottom of the cycle and prices will now be moving up as property inventory remains on the low side.  Other opinions have it that markets across the country are about to be blitzed with  REO homes that lenders have been holding off the market along with vast  numbers of properties that are so far underwater that a short sale is the only hope.  As odd as this market is there is probably a bit of truth in both opinions.

Some factors to consider: 

By the end of March, the Federal Reserve is expected to stop the $1.25 trillion program that's kept mortgage rates artificially low.  Without the FED support you can expect to see rates rise to at least 6% and maybe higher.  Higher mortgage rates will affect sales as each uptick in rates means fewer folks can qualify for the specific loan they want.

 

Shaun Donovan has been hinting that in addition to the  tighter rules that went into effect in December buyers may  soon need to put 5% down compared to 3.5% currently required.  Townhome.and condo buyers have already  had to deal with recent  changes FHA has instituted.  While the South Bay doesn't see a huge number of FHA sales,  you can bet that changes by them will influence the folks at Fannie and Freddie and even jumbo loan lenders. . Congress will let the expanded home buyer tax credit expire for buyers not under contract by April 30 and closing by June 30. The rumor around town is that like the cash for clunkers program members of Congress didn't want to extend the program and have made it clear to all that this is the one and only extension.  Again the extension didn't really affect our local real estate market in Manhattan and Hermosa but it was definitely a factor in Redondo and El Segundo as well as the South Bay Cities of  Torrance, Hawthorne and Lawndale.

 

The Federal Housing Administration's (FHA)says that plans to tighten underwriting standards could take effect as soon as April. HUD Secretary

 

Shadow Inventory has been speculated about since the market started to decline.  First American Core Logic puts the  shadow inventory at about 1.7 million homes.  The big issue here is that  many of these homes in the shadow inventory are higher  priced properties compared to the sub prime properties that were mainly found at the entry level in most markets.   Speculation is rampant that we will see a large increase in  higher priced homes hitting the market as distressed sales  in 2010.  If that happens it will affect all segments of the market.

   

The Fannie Mae forecast is for a subdued recovery. Fannie and Freddie aren't sold on the idea that the recession is over and the housing market is on the road to  nationwide recovery.  They think the worst is over and I suspect they may be right but they also know there may be more trouble down the way.  Reaching the bottom of the market doesn't mean a return to double digit appreciation.  Reaching the bottom  may  mean minimal declines in price at best but more likely a market that is flat with a few bounces along the way for exceptional properties.

The Economy remains tricky.  While the recession may technically be over there are still a lot of pockets with problems.  California unemployment remains a big factor.   In the South Bay  things aren't as tight as in other parts of the state which is good for us. However that doesn't mean we are not going to see continued difficulties in the job market. The government is pouring billions of dollars into the economy hoping to spark some new life. The problem I see is what happens when the subsidies stop. So far we aren't seeing much in California that points to immediate gains in the economy.  The state economy  is in deep trouble and that has to have some effect on all of us.

The outlook for commercial real estate is not good.  Every commercial banker I have spoken with in the last 4 months says 2010 is going to be bad news for commercial properties.  Lenders are already poised to start foreclosing on large numbers of commercial properties in the coming year.  Banks,  who are just now seeing some light at the end of the tunnel in the residential market,  are not happy about the prospect of owning commercial properties.  These are a tough sell  as financing is difficult to obtain and finding tenants to service the debt is no easy task.  If lenders find themselves awash in commercial properties you can bet they are going to hold back making loans on all properties including new home loans.

So what does this all mean... darned if I know....

 

What I think is that we are going to see inventory rise in the Spring.  Some of the increase will be homes that are returning to the market in hopes of finding a buyer. I think we will see more short sales and foreclosure properties in the upper end of the market.    Other entries will be sellers who are hoping the market has improved enough for them to get the price they want/need.  I suspect there will continue to be buyers and sellers disappointed to find  that just because the market may have stopped hemorrhaging doesn't mean the patient is cured.

   

A lot of homeowners that held on for the last few years are simply out of resources.  I think prices will  bounce around but overall will continue to decline slightly in the upper levels of the market while perhaps seeing slight increases in the entry level of most markets.   That said there will be some homes that will sell at prices well beyond where most folks would predict while others that seemed to be sure bets will flounder.

 

Buyers are still very savvy about what they will and will not pay for a property.  Multiple offers on a property don't necessarily mean multiple high offers.  In many instances they are multiple low offers.  Financing is going to remain tight even for the best qualified buyers.  Appraisals are going to continue to be troublesome for all price ranges. Sellers will try to force buyers to write offers without an appraisal contingency but most smart buyers just aren't going to do that.  In fact smart buyers have learned not to give up any contingency no matter what.

 

All in all I think this will be a better year for real estate as everyone finally realizes that buying a home is about more then funding your retirement.    Our thoughts about home buying will be pre-1999 ( shelter) rather then post 2002( make me rich).  Lending rules will continue to be tough until everyone cries UNCLE and lenders  once again decide there is room for a number of buyers that don't fit the prototype.



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The Top 12 Women Real Estate Bloggers of 2009

In 2006 Joe Ferrara and Rudy Bachraty , when blogging was just beginning, decided to name the Top 10 Women Real Estate Bloggers for 2006.  In 2007  and 2008 the list grew to 12 Women.  These women are chosen from all over the United States.  It is an amazing honor to be part of this special group of women. 

This year I am very excited to be among the 12 Top Women Real Estate Bloggers in the United States.   I am still stunned and amazed and thrilled to be chosen along with  these 11 amazing Women Real Estate Bloggers:

 Colleen Kulikowski Buffalo New York 

 Mary Pope-Handy in the Sillicon Valley

 Dru Bloomfield from Scottsdale AZ

 Diane Guercio founder of The TwitterQueens,

Amy Chorew truly a Tech Queen

 Jessica Riffle Edwards from Wilmington North Carolina

Susie Blackmon another North Carolina blogger with some great insights

Elaine Reese from Central Ohio has lots of sweet information  

Gena Riede  The Sacramento  Real Estate Voice of experience, 

 Kim Wood from Philadelphia loves photography,

 Monika McGillicuddy from New Hampshire has amazing photos.

 Kaye Thomas Manhattan Beach CA

 I am fortuante to be friends with many of these women and know others by their wonderful blogs.  All of us are actively working in some part of the real estate market. Most of us are actively engaged in sales while others are finding ways to make real estate more user friendly for both consumers and agents.  Blogging has allowed us to be more interactive  within  our communities and offer consumers a more intimate view of our local real estate markets.



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